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		<title>By: ema</title>
		<link>http://www.earthenwitch.co.uk/2010/07/30/on-going-forth-or-even-fifth-and-multiplying/comment-page-1/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>ema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t wean boo off the boob before falling pregnant with yogi, i fed throughout pregnancy although there were a few weeks in the middle (around 23 - 26weeks) when i was convinced Boo wasn&#039;t actually getting anything and then suddenly one morning she made an announcement that suggested the milk she was getting had changed.... she was 2yrs 2months when yogi arrived and continued to breastfeed &#039;til she was 3yr 6mo when she decided she&#039;d had enough. 
i don&#039;t think there can be a right or wrong time but i do know that if you leave it long enough it becomes even harder to consider and some find themselves with only children as a result - i can empathise with the strange relationship with older siblings - my sister is 19yrs older than me. i also have a 9yr gap between babies number 2 &amp; 3 and the baby phase was far more of a shock to the system after such a large gap than for any of the others. 

good luck with the reasoning it out. i find none of mine mind sharing the attention 88% of the time and then for the remaining 12% they each demand it loudly and equally....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t wean boo off the boob before falling pregnant with yogi, i fed throughout pregnancy although there were a few weeks in the middle (around 23 &#8211; 26weeks) when i was convinced Boo wasn&#8217;t actually getting anything and then suddenly one morning she made an announcement that suggested the milk she was getting had changed&#8230;. she was 2yrs 2months when yogi arrived and continued to breastfeed &#8217;til she was 3yr 6mo when she decided she&#8217;d had enough.<br />
i don&#8217;t think there can be a right or wrong time but i do know that if you leave it long enough it becomes even harder to consider and some find themselves with only children as a result &#8211; i can empathise with the strange relationship with older siblings &#8211; my sister is 19yrs older than me. i also have a 9yr gap between babies number 2 &amp; 3 and the baby phase was far more of a shock to the system after such a large gap than for any of the others. </p>
<p>good luck with the reasoning it out. i find none of mine mind sharing the attention 88% of the time and then for the remaining 12% they each demand it loudly and equally&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Earthenwitch</title>
		<link>http://www.earthenwitch.co.uk/2010/07/30/on-going-forth-or-even-fifth-and-multiplying/comment-page-1/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>Earthenwitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Moonroot&lt;/b&gt;: I hope I didn&#039;t just &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; I must pop over to you and say thank you! 

&lt;b&gt;Z&lt;/b&gt;: that&#039;s it, I suppose - the being an only child thing. I think I&#039;d have liked siblings closer to my own age, and lots of people with that situation tell me how wonderful it is, but then there&#039;s a part of me which can&#039;t help thinking of the all the attention that will be diverted from the small girl into another child, and feeling a bit shifty... I don&#039;t know. But I do know that I would be very sad if I found tomorrow that I could never have another child, so I&#039;m concentrating on that, if my diffuse mood can be called concentrating. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Moonroot</b>: I hope I didn&#8217;t just <i>think</i> I must pop over to you and say thank you! </p>
<p><b>Z</b>: that&#8217;s it, I suppose &#8211; the being an only child thing. I think I&#8217;d have liked siblings closer to my own age, and lots of people with that situation tell me how wonderful it is, but then there&#8217;s a part of me which can&#8217;t help thinking of the all the attention that will be diverted from the small girl into another child, and feeling a bit shifty&#8230; I don&#8217;t know. But I do know that I would be very sad if I found tomorrow that I could never have another child, so I&#8217;m concentrating on that, if my diffuse mood can be called concentrating. <img src='http://www.earthenwitch.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter is having a similar dilemma - she&#039;s older than you though, and found that having the first took a lot out of her and she only really felt completely right again when the babe was 18 months old.  She&#039;s not sure now whether she can do all the upheaval again.  

I say nothing, as she hasn&#039;t asked.  I wouldn&#039;t really want to be an only child, myself.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;d have minded as a child, but later and now I&#039;m very glad to have a sibling.  But then we get on.  Not all do.  Sorry darling - but whatever decision you make, or whichever way it pans out, you will make the best of things, because one does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter is having a similar dilemma &#8211; she&#8217;s older than you though, and found that having the first took a lot out of her and she only really felt completely right again when the babe was 18 months old.  She&#8217;s not sure now whether she can do all the upheaval again.  </p>
<p>I say nothing, as she hasn&#8217;t asked.  I wouldn&#8217;t really want to be an only child, myself.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d have minded as a child, but later and now I&#8217;m very glad to have a sibling.  But then we get on.  Not all do.  Sorry darling &#8211; but whatever decision you make, or whichever way it pans out, you will make the best of things, because one does.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonroot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonroot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of your childless readers, I&#039;m afraid I have no words of wisdom on this subject (though I do know the uncomfortableness of sitting on the horns of a dilemma).
All I can offer is the award I&#039;ve given your blog - not much, I know, but details are over on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of your childless readers, I&#8217;m afraid I have no words of wisdom on this subject (though I do know the uncomfortableness of sitting on the horns of a dilemma).<br />
All I can offer is the award I&#8217;ve given your blog &#8211; not much, I know, but details are over on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Earthenwitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earthenwitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments. 

&lt;b&gt;BW&lt;/b&gt;: well, I think opinions vary on the weaning issue; I have some friends who&#039;ve successfully taken the tandem feeding route, and some who weaned in pregnancy without a hitch. I guess I&#039;d just have to see what felt right for all of us, at the time.

&lt;b&gt;mel&lt;/b&gt;: I think I remember reading somewhere that either about 18 months or over 3 years turns out well, gap-wise, because of the first child&#039;s development of a sense of individuality (or lack thereof!). Sounds like it worked well for you, anyhoo. And yes, I definitely like your tactic of the baby bits all together - though I love babies, I do not love the lack of sleep which we experienced with the small girl, and, not wanting to tempt fate, I&#039;d have to assume it would be similar second time around, I think, just so I brace myself, as it were. 

&lt;b&gt;OverWyreGrower&lt;/b&gt;: yup - debating about having a baby is a big thing if you&#039;re prone to navel-gazing, which, obviously, I am. :) Hope you manage to do whatever makes sense to you both - for us, it was a huge decision, but the best we&#039;ve ever made (beyond choosing each other, that is). 

&lt;b&gt;Megan&lt;/b&gt;: that&#039;s a very good point, about the person you&#039;re thinking of as an interloper - when I was pregnant, I did worry a bit that the incoming baby would seem like a distraction from time we were used to spending Together. As soon as she arrived, of course, that all just disappeared, but somehow I appear to have slipped back into it when thinking about a second child... And yes, again, to the constancy of chaos - I can&#039;t imagine that it&#039;s going to change, if I&#039;m honest, any time soon...

&lt;b&gt;Allotmentqueen&lt;/b&gt;: the trouble is, I am just not That Person. I can&#039;t just throw caution to the wind on this one; I need to feel that it&#039;s Right, even if the timing isn&#039;t certain. It&#039;s just too big a deal to not, for me, though I know what you mean - have often thought that if I just found I was pregnant, the question would be answered. 

&lt;b&gt;Mon&lt;/b&gt;: :)

&lt;b&gt;GoodTwin&lt;/b&gt;: &#039;far too many variables&#039; is it. Part of me knows I ought to stop thinking about it and just wait until it feels - if not right, then &lt;i&gt;righter&lt;/i&gt;. Meh. We&#039;ll see. 

&lt;b&gt;Laura&lt;/b&gt;: ... which is exactly the sort of story which makes me think I should just get the hell on with it and be thankful that I am in a position to do so. Thank you for telling me. 

&lt;b&gt;Nettles&lt;/b&gt;: there is no straightforward answer, I think. Winning the lottery would help, but short of that... Good luck with your thinking. 

&lt;b&gt;petoskystone&lt;/b&gt;: maybe I just need to rediscover the inner zen? Oh, and lose the outer excesses... ;)

&lt;b&gt;Amanda&lt;/b&gt;: I guess it&#039;s often the way. That notion of a &#039;schedule&#039; is a bastard, isn&#039;t it? When you find you&#039;re not on track, you start questioning and wondering if you shouldn&#039;t feel different and whatnot; try as I might, though, it&#039;s only now that I can contemplate the idea of a second child without the overwhelming emotion being &#039;you must be kidding!&#039;. I guess more sleep has helped enormously with that, as well as having a house which is no longer quite the hovel it once was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments. </p>
<p><b>BW</b>: well, I think opinions vary on the weaning issue; I have some friends who&#8217;ve successfully taken the tandem feeding route, and some who weaned in pregnancy without a hitch. I guess I&#8217;d just have to see what felt right for all of us, at the time.</p>
<p><b>mel</b>: I think I remember reading somewhere that either about 18 months or over 3 years turns out well, gap-wise, because of the first child&#8217;s development of a sense of individuality (or lack thereof!). Sounds like it worked well for you, anyhoo. And yes, I definitely like your tactic of the baby bits all together &#8211; though I love babies, I do not love the lack of sleep which we experienced with the small girl, and, not wanting to tempt fate, I&#8217;d have to assume it would be similar second time around, I think, just so I brace myself, as it were. </p>
<p><b>OverWyreGrower</b>: yup &#8211; debating about having a baby is a big thing if you&#8217;re prone to navel-gazing, which, obviously, I am. <img src='http://www.earthenwitch.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hope you manage to do whatever makes sense to you both &#8211; for us, it was a huge decision, but the best we&#8217;ve ever made (beyond choosing each other, that is). </p>
<p><b>Megan</b>: that&#8217;s a very good point, about the person you&#8217;re thinking of as an interloper &#8211; when I was pregnant, I did worry a bit that the incoming baby would seem like a distraction from time we were used to spending Together. As soon as she arrived, of course, that all just disappeared, but somehow I appear to have slipped back into it when thinking about a second child&#8230; And yes, again, to the constancy of chaos &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine that it&#8217;s going to change, if I&#8217;m honest, any time soon&#8230;</p>
<p><b>Allotmentqueen</b>: the trouble is, I am just not That Person. I can&#8217;t just throw caution to the wind on this one; I need to feel that it&#8217;s Right, even if the timing isn&#8217;t certain. It&#8217;s just too big a deal to not, for me, though I know what you mean &#8211; have often thought that if I just found I was pregnant, the question would be answered. </p>
<p><b>Mon</b>: <img src='http://www.earthenwitch.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>GoodTwin</b>: &#8216;far too many variables&#8217; is it. Part of me knows I ought to stop thinking about it and just wait until it feels &#8211; if not right, then <i>righter</i>. Meh. We&#8217;ll see. </p>
<p><b>Laura</b>: &#8230; which is exactly the sort of story which makes me think I should just get the hell on with it and be thankful that I am in a position to do so. Thank you for telling me. </p>
<p><b>Nettles</b>: there is no straightforward answer, I think. Winning the lottery would help, but short of that&#8230; Good luck with your thinking. </p>
<p><b>petoskystone</b>: maybe I just need to rediscover the inner zen? Oh, and lose the outer excesses&#8230; <img src='http://www.earthenwitch.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Amanda</b>: I guess it&#8217;s often the way. That notion of a &#8216;schedule&#8217; is a bastard, isn&#8217;t it? When you find you&#8217;re not on track, you start questioning and wondering if you shouldn&#8217;t feel different and whatnot; try as I might, though, it&#8217;s only now that I can contemplate the idea of a second child without the overwhelming emotion being &#8216;you must be kidding!&#8217;. I guess more sleep has helped enormously with that, as well as having a house which is no longer quite the hovel it once was.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I can feel the bittersweet ach in my belly just reading your post. We &quot;planned&quot; to have our second when our first was three. He&#039;s now heading swiftly toward four and I&#039;m heading swiftly toward 34. We&#039;re a bit behind schedule and planning so many potentially wild changes in the coming months, I just can&#039;t see getting pregnant anytime soon. I&#039;m consoled by the fact that when the time was &quot;right&quot; for the first, I &quot;knew.&quot; I&#039;m so rarely that sure of things!

Life also so rarely looks how we imagine it will. I hope your sign comes and you&#039;re listening carefully (it does sound like you&#039;re already straining to hear, so I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll &quot;know&quot; when the time is &quot;right&quot;!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I can feel the bittersweet ach in my belly just reading your post. We &#8220;planned&#8221; to have our second when our first was three. He&#8217;s now heading swiftly toward four and I&#8217;m heading swiftly toward 34. We&#8217;re a bit behind schedule and planning so many potentially wild changes in the coming months, I just can&#8217;t see getting pregnant anytime soon. I&#8217;m consoled by the fact that when the time was &#8220;right&#8221; for the first, I &#8220;knew.&#8221; I&#8217;m so rarely that sure of things!</p>
<p>Life also so rarely looks how we imagine it will. I hope your sign comes and you&#8217;re listening carefully (it does sound like you&#8217;re already straining to hear, so I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll &#8220;know&#8221; when the time is &#8220;right&#8221;!).</p>
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		<title>By: petoskystone</title>
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		<dc:creator>petoskystone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m with allotmentqueen on this one: stop the handwringing over &#039;right&#039; vs. &#039;wrong&#039;.  stop contraceptives &amp; have the faith that it will work out becuase it already has (with the witchling).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m with allotmentqueen on this one: stop the handwringing over &#8216;right&#8217; vs. &#8216;wrong&#8217;.  stop contraceptives &amp; have the faith that it will work out becuase it already has (with the witchling).</p>
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		<title>By: Nettles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nettles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 03:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m still struggling with that issue. 8 years later! I don&#039;t recommend prevaricating for as long as I have. Everything you&#039;ve described has gone through my own mind an untold number of times. But I&#039;m 38 now (got pregnant when I was 29). It&#039;s a very different story now, and even if I wanted to have another - as in being 100% certain - my chances of having one are fading with age. However, I can&#039;t stand it when people push me to just get to it. It&#039;s just not that bloody simple for some of us. 

It&#039;s a tricky decision. It just is. Our modern reality dictates that in so many ways. I don&#039;t believe there is ever a perfect or even right time. Just that some times are more right than others. Possibly. Also, that level of exhaustion, once experienced, is hard to return to - *on purpose* - heheh. And personally, I&#039;m very idealistic, and could never approach the issue pragmatically as something to just go and get done. Into the breach and all that. I have to feel the same way about it as I did the first time around. But from what I hear, that&#039;s hardly ever the case. My dilemma has also been tinged by wondering if my ambivalence would be a betrayal of the second child, loving that child less somehow. Although, ultimately that&#039;s quite irrational and the love would as likely be just as strong and real as for the first. 

 For me, now, I&#039;m asking myself if I would regret not having another child. Trying to see the overarching shape of my life, (which is hard when I haven&#039;t lived that next bit yet!). I think there is a natural sadness when one&#039;s reproductive years are winding down, (and yours are obviously not yet), but regret is a whole other bag to be dealing with. I don&#039;t want to be 50 looking back and wondering why on earth I didn&#039;t have another child. But that&#039;s still not an answer, I realise. It&#039;s just the dilemma I&#039;m faced with currently. 

All the best with your decision EW. 
((hugs))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m still struggling with that issue. 8 years later! I don&#8217;t recommend prevaricating for as long as I have. Everything you&#8217;ve described has gone through my own mind an untold number of times. But I&#8217;m 38 now (got pregnant when I was 29). It&#8217;s a very different story now, and even if I wanted to have another &#8211; as in being 100% certain &#8211; my chances of having one are fading with age. However, I can&#8217;t stand it when people push me to just get to it. It&#8217;s just not that bloody simple for some of us. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tricky decision. It just is. Our modern reality dictates that in so many ways. I don&#8217;t believe there is ever a perfect or even right time. Just that some times are more right than others. Possibly. Also, that level of exhaustion, once experienced, is hard to return to &#8211; *on purpose* &#8211; heheh. And personally, I&#8217;m very idealistic, and could never approach the issue pragmatically as something to just go and get done. Into the breach and all that. I have to feel the same way about it as I did the first time around. But from what I hear, that&#8217;s hardly ever the case. My dilemma has also been tinged by wondering if my ambivalence would be a betrayal of the second child, loving that child less somehow. Although, ultimately that&#8217;s quite irrational and the love would as likely be just as strong and real as for the first. </p>
<p> For me, now, I&#8217;m asking myself if I would regret not having another child. Trying to see the overarching shape of my life, (which is hard when I haven&#8217;t lived that next bit yet!). I think there is a natural sadness when one&#8217;s reproductive years are winding down, (and yours are obviously not yet), but regret is a whole other bag to be dealing with. I don&#8217;t want to be 50 looking back and wondering why on earth I didn&#8217;t have another child. But that&#8217;s still not an answer, I realise. It&#8217;s just the dilemma I&#8217;m faced with currently. </p>
<p>All the best with your decision EW.<br />
((hugs))</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a lovely post and quite an understandable dilema.  i was 7 when my younger brother was born but i loved having him around, helping to take care of him.  i know that lots should be taken into consideration when planning a family, but i have learned the hard way not to put off something that you want so badly.  i had one goal in life growing up and that was to be a wife and a mother.  i&#039;ve yet to find the husband part of that and five years ago lost any chance to have children when forced to have a hysterectomy due to ovarian cancer.  i came through fine, physically and have been cancer free since, but my life is nothing as i wanted it to be and if i had it to do over again, i&#039;d go the frozen pop route so as to get the miraculous opportunity to birth a child of my own.
my best wishes are with you as you make your decision
blessings
~*~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a lovely post and quite an understandable dilema.  i was 7 when my younger brother was born but i loved having him around, helping to take care of him.  i know that lots should be taken into consideration when planning a family, but i have learned the hard way not to put off something that you want so badly.  i had one goal in life growing up and that was to be a wife and a mother.  i&#8217;ve yet to find the husband part of that and five years ago lost any chance to have children when forced to have a hysterectomy due to ovarian cancer.  i came through fine, physically and have been cancer free since, but my life is nothing as i wanted it to be and if i had it to do over again, i&#8217;d go the frozen pop route so as to get the miraculous opportunity to birth a child of my own.<br />
my best wishes are with you as you make your decision<br />
blessings<br />
~*~</p>
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		<title>By: GoodTwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoodTwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have personal experience but doubt there&#039;s a right time because there are far too many variables.  As Mon says, all children are different and every circumstance will be different: 2 years may be perfect for some children but the worst possible for others.

A friend had her two 15 months apart (very little planning went on there, I have to add) but the boys couldn&#039;t be closer; the elder didn&#039;t seem to resent anything about the younger&#039;s arrival and now at 6 and 7 they&#039;re terrific friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have personal experience but doubt there&#8217;s a right time because there are far too many variables.  As Mon says, all children are different and every circumstance will be different: 2 years may be perfect for some children but the worst possible for others.</p>
<p>A friend had her two 15 months apart (very little planning went on there, I have to add) but the boys couldn&#8217;t be closer; the elder didn&#8217;t seem to resent anything about the younger&#8217;s arrival and now at 6 and 7 they&#8217;re terrific friends.</p>
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